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george w. bush and his attendant countries involvement with the superpac, and american crossroads. [applause] be mac thank you. there's a little less than two months before the election and in many ways this is the time the book was designed for because this are into these last two months, this is the election really get going. and to me, one of the great untold stories is not just obama versus romney. it is obama versus karl rove and he's in behind the scenes the whole time and he has put together over $1 billion that will be spent in these last two months. read new york here are not going to see much spent in the battleground states. and he's become king of the sub two. he has cover when you put this together money with money romney has raised the republican national committee is a total of about $1.8 billion. to put that in this, in no way, mccain had 375 million to spend, so this is a fact or a five. you'll start seeing it come out now. the other thing i want to discuss about him, is susie really? what does he do? is a political operative. how does he operate? what does he do?
of a broader pattern where the obama white house wants to continue george w. bush's anti-terror policies, even expand them in terms of drone strikes and so on without completely acknowledging what they're doing. but in this case, it's made them look ridiculous. it seems unnecessary. >> i've lived in the middle east and in libya. and nothing that you see is as it seems. you don't have any idea who these people r. they showed up with grenade launch easy and sophisticated weapons. but in libya today, everybody's got some. >> that's fine. you don't even have to say, this is definitely terrorism. you just don't spend a week saying, well, it's all about this video that was made in southern california and the muslim world is really angry. if you want to hedge your bets, okay. but they didn't. they went all in -- >> i'm going to apologize for them for wanting to get all the facts before they opened up their mouths and started blabbering. >> they did open up their mouths and start blabbering. >> i'm going to cut them a little slack for wanting to get all the facts before they go out and say it was a te
it was at the end. look at the gyrations, right after the republican convention, george w. bush goes up and al gore gets back in the hunt. come to the first debate with gore ahead but this is when he sighed so much, look, al gore comes down and in the second debate, that moment you talked about a few moments ago, rob portman filling in for al gore prepared george w. bush for this. >> that's what the question in this campaign is about. it's not only what your philosophy and what's your position on issues, but can you get things done, and i believe i can. >> all right. >> what about the norwood bill? >> a priceless moment there from george w. bush. went or very narrowly, built a little bit of a lead and kept it until the very end and more recently in 2004, george w. bush running for re-election. again, a very competitive close race with john kerry for a long time. after the first debate george w. bush came down, a lot of people said that he was shaky in that debate, didn't answer a question about the iraq war very well and stabilized the race a little bit and in the end, in the final debate, look at
george w. bush that cost him a lot. - >> rolling his eyes and -- >> the lock box that nobody understood what he was talking about. and the way -- even the way his makeup looked. one of the problems of these debates anymore, it's not just substance, people are looking at eye rolls and body language, george herbert walker bush famously looked at his wristwatch and it cost him. there's every little nuance, there's the transcript and the television tape and i think the tape trumps transcript in the end. >> ultimately does he really have to participate? could. he say, i'm so busy running this country, look what's happening, the amount of time that i have to put into debate prep and the like, do you really think he would come off as a spoiled sport? >> impossible for him to do that. the last time a president tried, what you're essentially calling the rose garden strategy where a president says i'm too busy to get into the american little game doesn't work. he's got to weather through this and, look, he's a great debater and mitt romney, who did a fairly good job during the g ork p runoff. so
wrong in a debate with george w. bush in 2000. you can see gore advancing threatening toward the bush who would later win the presidency after a battle over vote counting. i cannot imagine anything like that happening tonight. in fact, the opposite. these are very cool customers. how should they loosened up without making that mistake? >> al gore had the unfortunate personality -- he resembled a tin woodman when he was in front of the camera. i cannot believe that his approaching president bush was as big a deal as some would think that it was. but, he did it at the wrong time. >> right. very very briefly. these are two of the most televised men in the world. will we learn anything new about them? >> tonight's candidates, i think that we will. the way that they behave, the way they present themselves will make a significant difference. >> i will have to stop you there. thank you very much indeed for joining me. that brings us to the end of the show. thank you very much for watching. we will see you back here tomorrow. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding for
might have thought george w. bush had trouble with. >> eliot: you're right. romney came across as smart. that's what affected it. doug, my question was every time i heard the $5 trillion gig, why did the president not turn to him and say if you do not plan to add a $5 trillion revenue loss what loopholes will you close? give us the broad brush outlines because without that, you don't have credibility. it would have seemed to me to be the appropriate response. >> absolutely. he could have just kept pressing him and i -- before the debate, my whole view was the president needs to spend little bit of time on defense and then just go on the offense. because mitt romney is so vulnerable to attacks not only on his current policies but on his previous policies and in being a flip-flopper and certainly his time as a businessman which really didn't come up that much which was surprising. certainly the president didn't press it but you didn't hear a lot about mitt romney talking about and bragging about how he created jobs bec
that could up in voting rights and same-sex marriage. >> and you can see george w. bush's impact on those issues. in 2003, justice o'connor browr, diversity is a legitimate goal and the case you're going to hear, the fisher case out of the university of texas, is a direct challenge to that and a threat to affirmative action in public universities but it could lead essentially to the death of affirmative action and and you covered in this book, and i'm reading it, very good book, that a lot of the behind the scenes back and forth around the affordable health care act when it went before the court and people were stunned, i among them, when john roberts voted and you write in the book and i want to read, this is out of the book, quote, by demanding that roberts kill our entire health care law, the four conservative justices prompted them to look for some kind of middle ground. roberts felt obligated to protect the institutional interests of the court, not just his own philosophical agenda. now, doing that, he uncost merrily went against the conservatives, members of the court. >> he certain
control. >> the numbers are wrong to begin with. we act redoubled our national debt under george w. bush. when you were working for him, i believe. the war in a iraq and afghanistan and bush tax cuts -- we doubled our spending under george bush. we continue to add during the obama years, but had to deal with the iraq and afghanistan wars and the bush tax caps -- cuts that were never paid for. the support president obama as are commanded -- commander in chief? do you believe he is the united states citizen? you accept the fact the columns of the christian? >>-- he called himself a christian? >> that was three questions. i will say, of course barack obama is our commander in chief. i wish he were a stronger commander in chief. >> to you believe in the? >> let him finish, please. you posed the question. >> i wish he were a stronger commander in chief. in recent weeks, we saw the tragedy of the assassination of -- >> let him finish. >> ok. >> they are simple questions. >> i.n.d. stand you would like to put meat on the cross examination stage. if you would like a -- >> i'll give you about 20
in 2004 when president george w. bush choked in the first of his three debates against john kerry. there was a strong performance against john edwards. cheney took one for the team playing the attack dog and allowing bush to keep his presidential hands clean. although i'd like to see a little more heat from president obama in debate number two, he can still keep it cool and classy while letting biden go all the way off the leash. but even before the first presidential debate, the match-up between the two guys on the bottom of the tickets promise to be a must-watched event. what we saw in the debate between president obama and governor romney was an exchange of ideas. both share a practical approach to stimulating economic growth but have different ways of getting us there. the two guys that we're going to be watching on thursday, pragmatism doesn't begin to describe them. pugilistic, not pragmatic describes these guys. get ready for a clash of the i had i can't logs. they're champions of the sweet science of political and economic thought of their respective parties. the golden bo
from the campaign despite the fact if you look at george w. bush it's been enormous and lasted because of the youthfulness of the nominees. if you look at the supreme court, there's the martin quinn score, trying to come up with a measure of the court's ideology. we have a graphic showing how it's moved over time. the court is very, very liberal after fdr gets over the impasse, the court striking down legislation. he threatens it with court packing. it's a disaster and he gets to appoint a lot of justices. then the famous court in the 1960s that gets us mir randa and a host of other decisions, very little court. down, if you look at the bottom, 2010, the argument. we have the most conservative court ever right now. so, people should keep that in mind as they think about the election and the possibility of opening up. bar brarks you said life experience matters on the court. that segways to who could we imagine being on the court if barack obama is reelected and has to replace the justice and who if mitt romney were elected? >> well, in terms of obama, the great question the democratic
political distraction for some reason. tony fredo is a former spokesperson from george w. bush. he tweeted out that the bureau of labor statistics is not manipulating data. evidence of such would be actually a scandal of enormous proportions and a loss of credibility. that's what he is saying but influence sal voices are saying the books are cooked, zachary. is that possible? >> i suppose anything is possible, but the layers of security under these numbers, they're released under lockdown. there's intense security around them, but it would be of watergate proportions. for people who don't want the numbers to trend, i suppose in a somewhat positive trend -- john harwood is not, this is not hos ana hosana is it's absurd and a complete distraction from what the report says and what's happening in the economy. >> john harwood gave excellent perspective. these numbers are not a celebration. this is a continuing story line. the economy is struggling to get on its feet. why would you have congressman alan west and others say that the books are cooked when you could secertainly just point to the f
tomorrow. not giving george w. bush a ago.ce against al gore 12 years that is part of my take and my take will be next. [lghing] [message beep] [tires screeching] >> they talk about that all year. it was never true. when we made a gain of 6 show us what they had written down it was a stack of paper with all work and no play makes jack adult oid. that was grover norquist. stuart: cold water all over the idea in the new york times there will be a budget compromise during a lame-duck congress. as he was doing that the stock market came off of its 15 point rally. "varney and company" wall to wall starting at 9:20 eastern. to the big board we are down 11 points. i call it pretty flat market. look at gold pretty flat. not much movement at 1778. as for the price of oil down $0.03. gas prices flat. national average for a gallon of regular still at $3.78 and diesel and $4.08. early this morning i jumped the gun on that. early this morning i was flipping through the newspapers and doing a little channel surfing. i suppose i shouldn't be surprised when i see media bias but when classic examples jum
at this next debate. this was an image from senator kerry taking on an incumbent president, george w. bush and say by simply showing up, the challenger has a lot to gain. >> yeah, when they stand on the same stage as the president of the united states, then you basically become almost an equal at that point in time, and that race went from a seven-point lead to a one-point lead in 48 hours, and that's what the challenger was able to do. john kerry won it and took the race to almost even within two days. >> so a big opportunity for mitt romney this week. >> a huge opportunity for mitt romney. he could take this race in the states that he's losing right now and change the dynamic of this race just by standing on stage and performing well. >> so much riding on it. this first debate, viewers, anywhere between 50 million, 60 million viewers are the estimates. this year more important than ever the early voting that's taking place. >> early voting has taken place in key states like iowa right now and voters willing watching now, and voters are going to be wanting this. they're already voting, an
of a former press secretary of president george w. bush? did you ever interview that offer? the father of scott mcclellan? >> i didn't interview him. all i can say about lyndon johnson's role in the assassination is in all my years of working on lyndon johnson's papers and going through his diaries and everything and all the people close to him i never found the slightest hint that he had everything to do with the assassination. >> mr. caro, lbj is well remembered as someone who was very adept at navigating the senate and working with congress as president to get some difficult things done. how well do you think he would do as president today getting things done with the very polarized environment? [applause] >> terrific question. it is hard to answer. part of the answer is the following. lyndon johnson became majority leader of the senate in 1955, the senate was and had been for decades -- let's put it that way -- taught to believe the same dysfunctional mess that it is today. bills couldn't get past because the power that confronted a president wasn't a party to this. wasn't republic
's got to do what george w. bush did in 2000 at one point in the evening and run the board. he's got to win all of these swing states. >> he does. the good news, it's headed the right direction. >> he can do it. >> absolutely. in late september, early october 2000, we were down three to five points. everybody said the campaign was completely screwed up. everybody should be fired. george bush went on to win all three debates, run the tables, as you've said, and turn it around and was up three. so it's absolutely possible. and i think this is big stakes. i mean, this is really an opportunity where people -- >> tonight is -- tonight is a huge debate. it really is. >> it's huge for all the obvious reasons. >> for the obvious reasons. >> but there's a lot of people that have heard a lot about romney and really haven't seen him. >> right. >> tonight they're going to get to see him all alone, mano a mano, and it's a real opportunity for them to get a sense of who he is, what he believes because they've just heard a lot. they haven't seen it. they're going to see it tonight. this is a real o
of george w. bush. >> one of the things both campaigns talk about is this is a possible advantage for governor romney because there is an elevated factor for him. he is on the same stage as the president. these debates to make an impression. sometimes they have a lasting impression. often, they do not. it is an opportunity, one of the few moments in the campaign, the conventions are another, but this is the last opportunity that both candidates have to speak to such a large audience at once. >> laura meckler, thank you for being with us. we have warren decker. he is from a university in fairfax, virginia. joining us from boston, a professor alan schroeder. he has 50 years of high risk tv. what makes a good debate and a good debater? >> i think the difference between a really good debate from my standpoint, intercollegiate debate, and debates we see at the presidential level is that a really good debate would be characterized by some depth of clash and arguments back and forth between the two. a lot of that is missing from presidential debate. the testing of ideas comes from that c
with. we act redoubled our national debt under george w. bush. when you were working for him, i believe. the war in iraq and afghanistan and bush tax cuts -- we doubled our spending under george bush. we continue to add during the obama years, but had to deal with the iraq and afghanistan wars and the bush tax cuts that were never paid for. the support president obama as our commander in chief? -- and do you support president obama as our commander in chief? do you believe he is a united states citizen? do you accept the fact that he calls himself a christian? >> that was three questions. i will say, of course barack obama is our commander in chief. i wish he were a stronger commander in chief. >> to you believe in the? >> let him finish, please. you posed the question. >> i wish he were a stronger commander in chief. in recent weeks, we saw the tragedy of the assassination of -- >> let him finish. >> ok. >> they are simple questions. >> i understand you would like to put me on the cross examination stage. if you would like a -- >> i'll give you about 20 seconds, then we will move on. >
under president obama as compared to the george w. bush years. >> dave: from george w. bush and not free from criticism. 4.9 trillion dollar increase in the nation's debt. but here we are three years into the obama presidency talking 5.36 trillion dollar increase in our nation's debt. that's pretty simple to fact check. i'm surprised joe biden continues to bait those fact checkers, with statements like that. that's a pretty-- that's a slam-dunk. >> alisyn: because people don't listen to his speeches with the calculator out and listen with their guts and resonates. they have been saying the same thing for the better part of almost four years so it must be working on the campaign trail with them. >> dave: and doing some hypnotizing before that. stare into the pen. >> alisyn: all right. let's get to your headlines, because, to tell you about right now. there was another insider attack that claimed the life of a soldier and contractor. 2000 american troops killed in afghanistan sense the war began. iran's president ahmadnejad says threats mean nothing, and the u.s. does not allow iran the ac
political question, obama uses the bush middle class cuts, but that's just an extension of what george w. bush put in place. what romney is saying, he's going to up the ante from here. why doesn't mitt romney make that case? >> you saw romney go almost halfway, he talked about the tax cut, but he has to go back to that reagan model and talk about this and talk about that take home pay. they have to have an idea of what they're getting in a law. that's so important for milt romney in a debate. he has to bring people, he has to bring heart to supply side politics and that's what happened. this is the most important day in mitt romney's life, there's no question, david's going to remind us that obama is leading in the polls, this is really make or break. do you think romney will do it? do you expect to hear a sharp, clear message on lowering middle class tax rates, and do you think he'll do it? and a pro growth package. >> i these he'll make a passioned plea for the economic tax cuts he's already talked about. i don't think he's going to pound home that message. i think paul ryan did. maybe
with george w. bush, which cost him a lot -- sign in and moaning throughout the debate the george w. bush, which cost compared the -- cost him the debate. if there are not a lot of those 47% comments that president running mate -- did i say president running? -- mitt romney? mitt romney apologized. host: let's look at tom and said governor romney made yesterday about the debate. -- that governor romney made yesterday about the debate. [video clip] >> there is a lot of interest, people want to know who will win, who will score, and in my view it is not winning and losing, or the people themselves, the president and myself. it is about something bigger than that. these debates are about the pathway for word for america that we would choose, and the american people will have to make their choice. i look forward to these debates. i am delighted that we will have three debates. he will be a conversation with the american people that will span almost an entire month. host: mitt romney on the campaign trail yesterday. we have seen the candidates talk about this low expectation game. howard kurtz
. >> it brings back the george w. bush name again. >> oh, yeah. >> which they've been trying to campaign away from. >> absolutely. >> you've already had two. you've got a big voter education turnout drive. this one in virginia coming up. >> next tuesday, from 10:00 to 3:00, we'll be in virginia at market square from 10:00 to 3:00. voter education, voter registration. last week we were in the district. people getting registered, getting information that they need. like where's my polling place? what issues are really on the ballot? we're teaming up with the board of elections to help people. it's all about educating and informing the community. >> they said october was when everybody was going to start paying very, very close attention. >> they're watching, listening, and forming opinions. >> this is it. mollet green, thank you for coming by. >> mm-hmm. >>> the tale of the dueling divas, coming up on news4, a new video with nikki minaj screaming at mariah carey. is this an "american idol" meltdown or is it a truly made for television fight? >>> also, why dogs are good for your health. why dr.
a more effective version. as we carry on george w. bush's policies. on israel i think some of the romney charges are accurate. the fact is that the president has gratuitously alienated the prime minister of israel on an issue frankly was not relevant, which was settlements. and i don't think, unlike bill clinton, and george w. bush, that this president has the kind of emotional sensitivity that think is required to create some measure of partnership with the israelis even though netanyahu is a difficult guy. on syria, look, let's be clear. we're coming off the two longest wars in american history. the last thing we need is another military adventure that isn't thought through very clearly. on iran, no matter who is president we have got big trouble coming. israelis rightly need to figure out a way to prevent iran from enriching uranium. the question is, whether or not you can do that short of war? and right now, neither barack obama nor mitt romney, nor benjamin netanyahu have answers to that. so --. >> brought us through some very important regions in the middle east and it is such a bi
of george w. bush and the republicans who were in office prior to the democrats taking control in 2009, so we need time to fix it, and by the way, the president will also say that he wants to increase taxes on people like mitt romney to help pay down some of that debt. >> reporter: we just put of that graphic there showing the $16 trillion of debt and there are so many digits it almost doesn't fit on the tv screen across the screen there, as you can see. but haven't americans in some way become number to astronomical numbers? how serious is this in. >> they have become number. is it the new normal this massive spilling of red ink but it raises three problems which i don't think the nation has got even to grips with yet. number one our economy is smaller than our debt. we look like europe, we know what happened there. number two we are spending $9 billion every week just paying interest on this debt, about a quarter of it goes overseas. and number 3, we are paying for this debt by printing money. so here is the question, allison, what happens when we stop printing as we inevitably will at s
's economic advisers and ed lazear former economic adviser to president jor george w. bush. >>> morgan stanley is planning to cut more jobs and slash bonuseses. james gorman tells "the financial times" those are the sacrifices necessary to boost profits and shareholder value. he's sympathetic to the view that this industry is still overpaid. >>> samsung is reporting quarterly profit a record $7.3 billion, nearly double last year's figure. analysts expect the current quarter to be difficult as samsung spends more on marketing as it escalates its fight with apple. >>> and dozens of lawsuits have been filed against facebook, the nasdaq and various ipo underwriters and they're going to be centralized today before a federal judge in new york. facebook requested the transfer. investors argue they lost money due to nasdaq technical glitches, they accused facebook of selectively disclosing on flattering information about its business prospects to analysts who shared that privilege with certain select investors. let's get a check on markets this morning, u.s. equity futures have improved, this is a mor
started at car max -- we started car max when george w. bush was president and george h.w. bush, then bill clinton, then george w. bush, then barack obama. the fundamental decisions that businesses make particularly domestic businesses are driven really by what's going on with the consumer. and i think the only thing that would worry me is if i really believed that romney and ryan were going to get elected and they were going to come in and dramatically cut government spending, that would lead to a recession, and that would worry me. but i don't think they're going to get elected, but more importantly, i don't think they would do that if they did get elected. nears no republican that ever has. i think ceos are focused on what the consumer is doing, what are their customers doing. and as jim cramer said a little earlier, i think between 23 and 27 minutes of the world's focus was on this last night. the people have moved on to more substantive topics now. >> so the bottom line is that it does not matter for a domestic business who gets elected? when it comes to the fundamental -- >> i think
're no jack kennedy. >> killer line. had no impact on the election. george h.w. bush one that election. when you have a strong performance by a strong candidate and a weak fumble by the other, its can make a difference. here's an example in 2000 when al gore decided he thought it was a good idea to get in the face of george w. bush while he was answering a question. watch this. >> the difference is that i can get it done. that i can get something positive done on behalf of the people. that's what the question in this campaign is about. it's not only what's your philosophy and position on issues. but can you get things done? i believe i can. >> there you had governor george w. bush making al gore look foolish. now, the second ranking all time memorable debate moment in that poll i mentioned was this one, which maria you'll remember it. we were in the debate of republican candidates just a few months ago, one year ago in fact. >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with it, the education, the commerce -- and let's see. i can't -- the third one, i can
. >> the numbers are wrong to begin with. we act redoubled our national debt under george w. bush. when you were working for him, i believe. the war in iraq and afghanistan and bush tax cuts -- we doubled our spending under george bush. we continue to add during the obama years, but had to deal with the iraq and afghanistan wars and the bush tax cuts that were never paid for. the support president obama as our commander in chief? do you believe he is a united states citizen? do you accept the fact that he calls himself a christian? >> that was three questions. i will say, of course barack obama is our commander in chief. i wish he were a stronger commander in chief. >> to you believe in the? >> let him finish, please. you posed the question. >> i wish he were a stronger commander in chief. in recent weeks, we saw the tragedy of the assassination of -- >> let him finish. >> ok. >> they are simple questions. >> i understand you would like to put me on the cross examination stage. if you would like a -- >> i'll give you about 20 seconds, then we will move on. >> i wish she were a stronger commander
with george h. w. bush and bill clinton. >> ross gave a good answer but i have to respond directly to mr. bush. you the question my patriotism. you even brought some white ring congressman out of the war white house to attack me. i honor your service in world war two. i honor mr. perot's service in uniform and every other man and woman who ever served. when joe mccarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism, he was wrong. a senator from connecticut stood up to him named prescott bush, your father was right to stand up to joe mccarthy and you were wrong to attack my patriotism. i was opposed the war but i love my country and in need a president that will bring this country together and not divided. i want to bake a unified country. [applause] >> i did not question the man's patriotism, i questioned his judgment and character. what he did in moscow was fine and he explained it and i excepted. i don't accept organizing demonstrations and a foreign country when your country is at war. i'm sorry, i cannot accept that. >> all of that debate is on our video library at c-span.org. you
judicial restraint. but citizens united was a case where just a few years earlier, george w. bush had signed the mccain-feingold law or in just two years earlier, or more than two as i think, for years earlier the supreme court has affirmed the constitutionality of the mccain-feingold law. but in a story i tell at greater length in trenton, the conservative majority converted a relatively minor dispute over an obscure film put out by a nonprofit corporation into a complete rewriting of our campaign finance laws, based on the dual metaphors that corporations are people, and money is speech. and those two ideas are at the heart of citizens united, and they are the story -- and that decision is very much the story of the 2012 presidential and perhaps even more importantly, lower about race -- lower ballot raise. that brings us to the health care case you're now, there were some so-called experts and pundits who watched the oral argument of that case and said well, it's quite clear that the law is going to be overturned because of the questions. and in my defense -- [laughter] i would jus
gerson, "washington post" columnist and former speechwriter for george w. bush. you helped prepare president bush in 2000 and 2004 for his debates. what are the particular challenges for the two contenders as you see it today? >> we saw it in 2004 that the president had not involved in debating the whole primary season in the obama scenario. >> mitt romney has been throwing punches and receiving them in over 20 debates. i think that probably helps. if you look at the univision forum that president obama just did, he got fairly softball questions and he had a shaky performance. that should be a wake-up call for the obama team. they must be recommeally focuse this. that is an advantage for romney coming into this. he has the biggest disadvantage as well which is he has ground to make up, has to do something not just play defense, which i think the president can do more of. >> senator mccain who's been there, done that was asked about it today. >> first thing is you don't want him to say something stupid. >> right. >> but you're -- >> first do not harm. >> exactly. >> yeah. >> but sec
else isn't equal. if you finance those tax cuts for the rich with huge amounts of debt as george w. bush did and as mitt romney is proposing, you're going to end up with slower growth. that's what we've got over the last ten years. there's no reason to believe any different. >> with we certainly have that over the last three years. >> exactly. >> let me ask you this, diana. >> pause, pause, pause. timeout. when the president took office, the economy was contracting by 9% annual. it's now growing. don't tell me the economy is growing slower than when the president took office. that's not true. >> in the last year and the year before. the last three years is what i'm referring to. >> the last three years we've had growth. i agree the growth hasn't been strong enough. >> right. diana, do you think we could see a 75% tax rate here if, in fact, the president gets re-elected? would what's happening in france carry over here? is it the same ideology? >> no, because congress has to pass the tax rates over here. we have a congress. congress might let the rates go up to -- right now they're
george w. bush went up against al gore. in gore's case, a strategist thought he lost that debate in the spin room. so i wonder, matt, how much of this is decided by what the candidates actually say? and how much by the pundits the day after? >> i give the american people some credit. i think they can listen and watch. and most evidence has shown that people start paying attention maybe around the conventions. they pay a lot of attention in the debates as well. what romney has to do is to get people who don't think obama has earned a second mandate, he's got to get them to think he deserved to replace him. there is room to make that case. i don't think he's made that case so far, but we're talking about tinkering around the margins. i think both sides are going to -- democrats are going to vote democrat, republicans will vote republican. >> and john mccain who knows more than a little bit about what it's like to be in a presidential debate had this take on "morning joe" today. >> i think for us to raise the expectation, he's got to do something spectacular. those things don't happ
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